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CA: Your work that I'm familiar with is all color. Have you ever shot black-and-white for a "forties" look?
PM: No, I never have. I came out of painting, I was a colorist. I've never been able to draw. To me, black-and-white and drawing have a similarity. I always felt very comfortable as a painter in areas of color, and when I wandered out of movie-making into still photography I immediately went to making slide shows. The new book is essentially a slide show. I developed it with the idea that the continuous logic of a slide show would read sequentially and that there would be a story involved. The end result of that slide show will be a CD ROM, a super slide show that will contain everything. So, no, I've never done black-and-white. My photography has come to me from the Nikon manual and from personal experience. Painting is what I lean on.

CA: Do you do any of your own lab work, and if not, how did you settle on a lab that delivers consistent results?
PM: I process the film at the New Lab, in San Francisco, which is a terrific lab, having been strong and consistent for me for many many years. The reason I dropped Kodachrome was Kodak's switch from their own processing labs. All of a sudden it really went bad, and I was a lost boy for awhile. The only other thing was Ektachrome, which was awful. Thank God Fuji came along.

. After film processing, we do everything here. We make the prints; all the pictures you have seen published came from Cibachrome (Ilfochrome) prints. I've always felt that the Cibachromes had the look that I wanted. I don't do any masking. I choose pictures that I know will print without it. There's a whole range of contrasty transparencies that I still have in my archives that maybe, with the digital stuff, I'll be able to balance. For now, if they don't print on Ciba, then nobody ever sees them.

CA: What are some of the hazards and safety concerns relative to this activity?
PM: The hazards of aviation photography are certainly very serious, and the consequences are very great. There are very few WW II airplanes flying these days; it's a very small crowd of people that fly them and massage them, and every year we lose thirty or forty people to accidents of one type or another. I've seen some god-awful accidents. When the planes go down, they go down in a terrible, terrible way. They're big, they're fast, they're very heavy, and they fall like stones, carrying everybody with them. It's a violent sport, a violent game. The people I work with are very good at it, but a small mistake can be very serious.

CA: Do you choreograph your shoots extensively beforehand, or do you do a lot of on-location ad-libbing?
PM: You have to ad-lib. The hand of fate won't allow you to define what's going to happen. You saw those drawings I made; I always try to describe what I think should happen, and we all try politely to fit into that perceived, hoped-for event. As today we took off headed toward the Golden Gate Bridge; at 12:30 when we passed the bridge it was lovely, and when we came back for photography at 2:30 there was only one tower showing and a little hollow of ground visible through the clouds. So all of a sudden the whole event changed, with too many planes to stuff into the space (the small clearing in the clouds), and it was not working. You can't control things; the factor of weather is too powerful, the factor of mechanical problems is too powerful, all the little mistakes that can happen. Often you go up and you can't even find each other. We try to choreograph it, but good luck!

CA: How do you obtain your head-on shots?
PM: I shoot out the tail of a B-25. In some situations, you can take the tail (the Plexiglas tail-gunner's bubble) off, put on a big ol' belt and tie yourself in with huge ropes tied to large parts of the airplane, and hang your feet out the back. That's terrific! It's pretty awesome to

sit out there with your feet dangling out the end of the airplane, going two hundred miles an hour, with the ground five thousand feet away. The airplanes can fly right up to your feet. I've got some pictures of Steve Hinton in the Planes of Fame P-38 where I could almost kick the nose of the plane. I have a 30-year collection of pictures of my feet, but I was so stunned by the experience of having him right there that I missed that shot. All I had to do was put my feet up and I'd have had my all-time best foot shot. I blew it!

CA: Have you had any close calls?
PM: Yes; I've crashed, and there have been near-collisions in mid-air. One time we were in a formation, leading a group of large, fast airplanes, and the left fuel tank of our plane went dry and the pilot had to switch over. In the switching over, the motor stopped, and when the motor stops, the airplane stops; the other airplanes were really coming on us, just missing us. We always congratulate ourselves when we get back on the ground!

CA: What are your favorite chase aircraft? What of their features help make your photography easier?
PM: T-6s are the basis of everything that I do. They are always obtainable, always at the events, and they're affordable. They only burn thirty-five to fifty gallons an hour, at two dollars a gallon, four dollars in England. The canopy opens up, and they fly at a speed that all of the (subject) planes can fly at; even the fast fighter planes can be slowed down to the speed of a T-6. When I fly with Eddie Van Fossen, who has won the Reno Air Races seven times, we work at 180-190 mph.

CA: Is rough air ever a problem for you, either in terms of physical comfort or as a hindrance to sharp images?
PM: If the air is bouncy, there's no point in even going up. Smooth air is essential. If the camera is bouncing around, it blurs; for me, the pictures have to be sharp. As for physical discomfort, I get air sick terribly. I didn't get sick today, but I got close to the edge in Breckenridge (TX) a couple of days ago. There's nothing worse; you get up there and the airplane is bouncing around, and looking through the camera you get into this swimming-eye thing, and it's hot, and it's smelly, and yuck!

CA: Noting that you wear glasses, do the high-eyepoint finders on your Nikons deal successfully with your air-borne viewing needs?
PM: Yes; I don't wear contacts. I do have a special pair of glasses that have the lenses screwed to the frames. In the past, I've hit (air) bumps and knocked my (eyeglass) lens out; when that happens, I'm finished for the day! So that's one of my "secrets" of the trade.

CA: Are high shutter speeds and fast films the only remedies available when shooting from fast-moving, vibration-prone aircraft?
PM: You can't shoot faster than 1/250 sec.; over that speed, the propeller is frozen. You need a "smear" on the propeller to get the feeling that it's not a model airplane suspended against the sky. Below 1/250th, if the air is smooth, to get the full arc of the propeller you have to be down around 1/30 sec. At 1/30th, it's just a matter of luck that the picture is sharp. But, take twenty frames at 1/30 sec. and one of them, by the grace of God, will be sharp. And that's the one that I show.

. As for fast films, I don't use them; I like the close grain of Velvia.

CA: What type of lighting do you favor?
PM: I like to go up really early or really late. But there is a point where really early is too early, and really late is too late. We sometimes get to feeling real sassy and get out in the darkness, starting up at 6:30, before the sun comes over the horizon and we go out to meet the sun, but more often than not, that doesn't work. It's hard to light (supplemental) in my photography! We like to go at dawn; that's always the best time, the air is the quietest and the light is rich.

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